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We hope in the merit of our Talmud Torah, all of the neshamos have an aliyah, the families nechamah, all those who need a refuah should have one together with kol cholei Yisrael. Hakadosh Baruch Hu should im yirtzeh Hashem continue to look after our brothers and 1:33 sisters in Eretz Yisrael, should allow our holy soldiers to be successful bechol maaseh yedeihem. 1:39 And rabosai, of course today, although it's the legal observance of of July 4th, we'll spend more im yirtzeh Hashem reflecting on on the 250th anniversary of this great country im yirtzeh Hashem tomorrow because again it's actual July 4th but suffice it to say we 1:53 can't, you know, if we're taking advantage of the legal holiday, at least all of you are taking advantage of the legal holiday, then it behooves us to just take a moment to express our hakaras hatov to the Ribbono shel Olam for providing us, 2:06 for providing the world with this great light known as the United States of America. 2:10 What this country has done for humanity, what this country has done for civilization is beyond comprehension. 2:17 And although again of course internally we always feel conflicted because at the end of the day there's only one natural home for the Jew and that's Eretz Yisrael. 2:25 And we must never ever lose sight of that reality. 2:28 That is an unequivocal truth and there should always be a little bit of of existential and personal discomfort every day that we are not where we are meant and supposed to be. 2:39 But that being said Hakadosh Baruch Hu has a great plan, Galus has been part of our of our national dynamic for the last thousands of years and we have to express our hakaras hatov that if we are in Galus, that Hakadosh Baruch Hu has put 2:51 us in such an overwhelming Galus that has allowed us baruch Hashem to flourish spiritually, that has allowed us to flourish materially, that has given us unprecedented opportunities. 3:03 It is easy to knock and it is easy to go ahead and highlight you know what's broken and what's wrong and this and you look at sometimes sometimes the leadership we have and sometimes you see what happens in New York 3:15 and we see these things and we wonder what is happening over here? 3:18 Okay, Hakadosh Baruch Hu has a great plan, Hashem has a great plan, but just wherever that plan is, that's Hakadosh Baruch Hu's purview. 3:24 But our avodah really, especially on a day like this when we celebrate this great country, celebrate 250 years, we have to express our hakaras hatov to the United States of America, to the President, to the Vice President, whether again whether you 3:34 like them or you don't like them is irrelevant. 3:36 We daven for their safety, security, and wisdom because they are the leaders of the free world. 3:41 Hakadosh Baruch Hu should continue to give our leaders incredible wisdom and insight. 3:44 Hashem should allow this great country to thrive and to be to lead to be the moral compass for the entire world and to choose correctly and to choose wisely to continue to align itself and ally itself with our ancient and 3:56 ancestral homeland Eretz Yisrael. And halevai, im yirtzeh Hashem the United States of America should be gebensht for many years to come. 4:02 We should be zoicheh im yirtzeh Hashem to maximize the time that we have here until we are ready to im yirtzeh Hashem go to our one and only home whenever whenever that may be. 4:12 And we should just take the day, just take the opportunity just to express your profound hakaras hatov for this country and for all the opportunities and privileges that it has afforded us since our people have really set up shop on its 4:24 shores and im yirtzeh Hashem we should be zoicheh to maximize those gifts for however long Hakadosh Baruch Hu has in store for us. 4:31 Rabosai I'll also mention one one other interesting ha'arah last night when I when I came home after Ma'ariv my my wife is like oh we have to take out the garbage, and by we it's me. 4:42 I so I have to take out the - it's garbage pickup tomorrow. 4:45 I said no it's not garbage pickup tomorrow it's July it's a legal holiday. 4:49 She said it's garbage pickup tomorrow. 4:51 I don't know how it is in the city but in the county in the county garbage pickup was today, garbage was today. 4:56 Rabosai the Ribbono shel Olam, the Ribbono shel Olam has ways. 5:01 of dispatching to us all different kinds of messages. 5:03 I'm like, \"Wow, that's exactly what I needed to hear. 5:07 There is never a day off from taking out your garbage. 5:12 Never a day off from taking out your garbage. 5:15 Rabosai, all of us have garbage. 5:16 That's right, all of us have garbage, right? 5:19 There's stuff that sits inside of me that's broken, that's corrosive, that's negative. 5:26 There are midos that I know are fundamentally handicapping me and holding me back. 5:30 There are behaviors that I know undermine my future success. 5:35 There are relationships that are toxic. 5:37 There's all of us have shmutz. 5:40 We all have garbage that sits inside of us. 5:44 And it's nice to think, you know what, I'm not gonna take care of it, it's alright, today's it's legal holiday, I don't have to worry about that, right? 5:49 I don't have to worry about that. 5:51 Rabosai, there's never no such thing as a day off from dealing with your garbage. 5:56 When it's garbage day, take care of your trash. 5:59 Take care of your trash. 6:01 Now again, it could be in the city and the county garbage day comes once a week. 6:04 For the Yid, garbage day comes every day. 6:06 And especially given the fact that it's almost Elul. 6:08 It's almost Elul, right? 6:09 And then given the fact that Im Yirtzeh Hashem after that it's almost again Yamim Noraim. 6:14 The time to think about the trash and the time to think about the garbage and the time to think about the things that really need to be taken out to the curb is today. 6:24 And especially if we have a day like today, right? 6:27 Rabosai, the bracha of getting a legal holiday on a Erev Shabbos, it's Gan Eden. 6:32 It's Gan Eden, right? First of all, if you're late for Mincha today, absolutely no excuse. 6:38 Absolutely no excuse, right? 6:40 So to be able to have Erev Shabbos where you could come benachas, where you could have a little bit of menucha, you could have your own Torah time before, and before the shul Torah time also. 6:48 And just to go ahead and come in like a mentch, utilize the day. 6:51 Rabosai, again, it's not just a day to have fun, and again have plenty of fun and enjoy the beautiful weather, but also an opportunity to kind of take inventory and to say, you know what, if the county workers are going 7:02 ahead and taking out the trash today, then perhaps again it's a tremendous opportunity for us to figure out what needs to be expunged, what needs to be removed, what needs to be taken to the curb in order that I could 7:13 become the best version of myself. 7:15 Rabosai, with that, let us begin. 7:17 We have a great daf ahead of us today, some great halacha l'maaseh as well. 7:21 Today's daf is samech-dalet 64. 7:23 We are picking up on samech-gimel amud-beis 63B, second wide line. 7:32 Rabosai, this is pretty incredible and this actually we're going to, I realized I know that I've been talking about doing the Shulchan Aruch on birds the whole week, we're actually going to do it tomorrow because on Shabbos Im Yirtzeh Hashem, that's actually where the 7:45 bird sugya actually comes to an end. 7:48 That's a two dafs, then we transition into the wide world of grasshoppers. 7:52 I know, I know, it's hard for me to even sell that. 7:56 It's hard, but okay, I'll come up with something. 7:58 In any event, so lemaaseh, so lemaaseh so that's so we'll do the שולחן ערוך אם ירצה השם in tomorrow's shiur. 8:04 So but today we're still with birds and we're going to transition actually to interesting discussion about eggs as well. 8:09 עוף טהור נאכל במסורת. So Rabosai, so at the bottom line how do you know which birds you're allowed to eat? 8:15 So the Gemara says b'messoras. 8:17 Any bird for which we have a messoras, for which we have a tradition for, ultimately again that's the kind of bird that you could eat. 8:23 If you look at Rashi, Rashi says אם זכר הוא באדם כשר שאכלו או שמסר לו רבו או צייד חכם שהוא טהור. 8:33 So Rabosai, what is a messoras? 8:34 Mean a messoras means like this: you know an adam kasher, right? 8:38 Someone who's an upright an upright Yid who eats this particular bird or for that matter again you got a messoras from your Rebbi, or a hunter who's a talmid chacham told you. 8:48 By the way, it doesn't have to be that he's a talmid chacham in ganz Torah. 8:50 A tzayid, right? A hunter who's a chacham in in his melacha. 8:54 He knows hunting, he knows kosher birds. 8:56 If you have a messoras from any of these types of people again your Rebbi, either an experienced hunter or you know that a adam kasher, right? 9:03 An upright person ate this bird, that's a messoras, that's a tradition and you could then go ahead and eat this bird in assume that it is kosher. 9:11 Incredible. נאמן הצייד לומר עוף זה טהור מסר לי רבי. A hunter is permitted to say, is believed to say, this bird is a kosher bird because I received this messoras from my Rebbi. 9:25 Now Rabosai, watch this. 9:26 אמר רבי יוחנן והוא שבקי בהן ובשמותיהן. Rabi Yochanan says that's assuming that the Rebbi is knowledgeable ultimately again in birds and their names. 9:35 Now the Gemara asks a very interesting follow up question. 9:37 What type of Rebbi is this? 9:38 בעי רבי זירא רבו חכם או רבו צייד. Are we talking about like a Rebbi like in the classic way we use Rebbi? 9:46 Like a talmid chacham? A talmid chacham, so my Rebbi told me that this type of bird is kosher, or no, rabo tzayid means my my hunting Rebbi. 9:54 My hunting Rebbi. Everybody's gotta have a hunting Rebbi, right? 9:56 In other words, so my what's my hunting Rebbi? 9:59 And again Rabosai, I just want to point out because I think... 10:01 Reb Matt brought this up to me when we first started speaking about we started hunters. 10:06 So just understand kind of when we think about hunting, we think about like something antithetical to Yiddishkeit. 10:12 There's a famous teshuva by the Noda B'Yehuda that Jews are not allowed to hunt. 10:16 Jews are not allowed to hunt. 10:17 He says hunting is the midah of Esav. 10:20 It's not Yaakov. Now what does this mean? 10:22 That refers to sport hunting, right? 10:24 So just hunting for the sake of hunting, ultimately again, that's Jews don't do. 10:31 When we speak about hunters over here, they mean trappers. 10:33 I mean trappers. So again obviously for food, for whatever type of constructive purpose that you are hunting, of course that's going to be muttar. 10:41 So now watch what we just said before. 10:42 If you have a mesorah from your Rebbe that a particular bird is kosher, ultimately again, you can go ahead and eat that bird. 10:49 Now the Gemara asks: what kind of Rebbe are we talking about? 10:51 Your Rebbe like in the beis medrash? 10:52 Like your Rebbe from yeshiva, your Rebbe who gives you shiur? 10:56 Or are we talking about like your hunting Rebbe? 10:58 In other words, someone who's an experienced hunter who then again maybe you apprentice, maybe you learn by them, and therefore they're giving you this information. 11:05 So tashma דאמר רבי יוחנן והוא שבקי בהן ובשמותיהן. We're talking about a Rebbe who is knowledgeable about ultimately again the types of birds, bahen, the types and their names. 11:15 Because also remember again names are very important why? 11:18 Because remember the Torah does give us the list of twenty-four birds that are not kosher. 11:22 So therefore knowing the names and knowing that this bird that I'm about to eat doesn't appear on that list is of exceptional importance. 11:29 To which the Gemara says אי אמרת בשלמא רבו צייד שפיר. 11:33 So if we say that it means your Rebbe who's a hunter, then this makes sense. 11:36 Because then my hunting Rebbe is going to be an expert ultimately again in the names, right? 11:41 and in the types of birds. 11:45 אלא אי אמרת רבו חכם בשלמא שמהי גמר להו. Ultimately again maybe he knows the names. 11:51 אלא אינהו מי ידע להו? But does my Rebbe in the beis medrash know the bird itself? 11:56 Does he know the actual bird? 11:58 אלא לאו שמע מינה רבו צייד שמע מינה. Everybody, this is fascinating. 12:02 Therefore the Gemara says when we say that if you have a mesorah from your Rebbe that you could eat a bird, what type of Rebbe are we talking about? 12:07 Your hunting Rebbe. Your hunting Rebbe because your hunting Rebbe ultimately again is the Rebbe ultimately again who is going to convey to you the information both about the type of bird and the name of the bird. 12:19 Which rabbosai is such a fascinating insight in general that if you're going to dispense advice to someone, make sure you know what you're talking about. 12:31 Because if you don't know what you're talking about and you dispense advice, it's incredibly dangerous. 12:36 Incredibly dangerous. So again, the de'ah over here is the Rebbe in the beis medrash might have all of this information, right? 12:42 right to have all of Masechet Chullin. 12:44 But knowing Masechet Chullin doesn't automatically mean that you know the birds and their names. 12:50 You have a lot of information. 12:52 And rabbosai, there's another piece as well, which is learning Torah is only one part of the knowledge of a Jew. 12:59 Applying it and then learning how to utilize it in the real world. 13:05 That's where everything really comes together. 13:08 So anyone could sit and learn and absorb information, which is beautiful and holy and incredible. 13:13 But the ultimate manifestation of being an eved Hashem is taking what you learned in the beis medrash and then figuring out how do I actually utilize this, apply this, and live this in the real world. 13:27 So amazing, so rabbosai, this is a very important Gemara because this concept of mesorah, this concept of that we eat birds for which we have a mesorah. 13:35 If there's a tradition that such a bird is kosher. 13:38 How do you establish tradition? 13:39 Either kasher people ate this type of bird, my Rebbe, my Rebbe told me that this bird is kosher, or my hunting Rebbe, right? 13:47 who's also knowledgeable again in the types of birds in their names, told me that it's kosher. 13:51 So if you have a mesorah, ultimately again that enables you to eat the bird. 13:54 Incredible. Now, rabbosai, the Gemara is not necessarily saying that it's only mesorah. 13:58 In other words, there are other ways in which you could determine birds are kosher. 14:01 But mesorah is a very powerful tool. 14:03 Tanu Rabbanan. Next, rabbosai, so now we're transitioning. 14:06 We're going away from birds a little bit and we're going into the fascinating topic of eggs. 14:11 And this is going to be a ridiculously halacha l'maaseh sugya. 14:13 So here we go. 14:15 Tanu Rabbanan: You can go ahead and purchase eggs from an akum be'chol makom, anywhere. 14:23 ואין חוששין לא משום נבילות ולא משום טריפות. Now again, rabbosai, now obviously what could be the issue with eggs? 14:28 What could be the issue with eggs? 14:29 Remember, only eggs that come from a kosher bird are kosher. 14:33 Eggs that come from a non-kosher bird are not kosher. 14:35 Okay. So the Gemara says like this, therefore now the Baraisa says you can purchase eggs from an akum anywhere and you don't have to be concerned that the egg maybe came from a non-kosher animal, neveilos and treifos. 14:48 Aye, the Gemara says but one second. 14:49 Now, that's interesting. Now remember, neveilos and treifos could refer ultimately again even to kosher species of animals. 14:56 So the Gemara is saying essentially when you buy eggs from an akum, you don't have to worry, you don't have to... 15:01 because you could assume that it came from a kosher species, and even in a kosher species you don't have to worry that it came from a neveila or a treifa. Gemara says hold up, ודלמא דעוף טמא נינהו, but maybe the eggs came from a 15:12 treif bird. In other words, I don't understand why why are you sw- why are you assuming that the eggs came from a kosher bird? 15:18 אמר רב יהודה שמואל, באומר של עוף פלוני טהור. Ultimately again it's where the akum says, oh, these eggs are from this type of kosher bird. 15:28 Oh now again rabosei, if you look at Rashi, Rashi says באומר של עוף פלוני טהור, Rashi says Rabosei, now watch this. 15:44 In general, the the Gemara makes an assumption, two assumptions. 15:48 Assumption number one is that people lie. 15:51 That's assumption one. But people only lie when, when, when they know they can't be discovered. 15:58 But people will never lie in a situation where there is very easy fact-checking. 16:03 So for example, no one's going to lie about eggs. 16:06 Why? Because if the akum says oh yeah, here, I'll sell you a dozen chicken eggs, so there's a very easy way to tell if it's a chicken egg, which is how, right, go to a chicken, get an egg, and line 16:15 it up against this egg. 16:16 So ultimately again if they look the same, great. 16:18 If they don't look the same, it could be that he's lying. 16:20 So therefore again rabosei, this is what we see this concept in Halacha many times that an akum will not lie bemilsa de'avidi legiluye. 16:28 With something that will become revealed. 16:30 So if this is a piece of knowledge that is discoverable, a piece of knowledge that ultimately again is checkable, then Halacha L'maiseh a person's not going to lie. 16:39 So therefore again, when the akum says hey, Jew, I'm going to sell you eggs, and these are chicken eggs, and and that's why by the verbiage is is very is very specific. 16:46 The akum does not say these are kosher eggs. 16:48 He's saying these are kosher eggs me'of ploni. 16:51 These are these are chicken eggs. 16:53 Whatever the kosher bird, fill in the kosher bird, the you know here. 16:56 These are the eggs and and he says the type of egg they are from the type of bird, we could believe him because since this is checkable and verifiable information, he's not going to lie. 17:07 באומר של עוף טהור, the Gemara says hold on one second, but why why doesn't he say in other words, why do we require him to say what type of kosher bird? 17:15 Why can't he just say from a kosher bird in general? 17:18 אי הכי אית ליה לאשתמוטי. Ultimately again rabosei, if he's not bird-specific, that ultimately again leaves room for lying, right, because then he'd say, well you tell me it's kosher bird, this doesn't look like a chicken egg, oh it's a different kind of kosher bird. 17:31 So therefore the only way to buy eggs from an akum is if he specifically says this is from a kosher bird and he articulates which kosher bird it's from because then I could fact-check the assertion. 17:41 And again rabosei, now here's what's interesting. 17:42 Do you have to fact-check? 17:44 Do you have to fact-check? 17:45 The Gemara seems to indicate no, because since I can fact-check, that ultimately is the quality assurance on the akum egg sale. 17:54 Incredible. Or the Gemara says, velivdok besimanin. 17:58 Why don't you check the simanim of the egg? 18:01 Right, check that the egg has kosher attributes, kosher characteristics, de-tanya, because we learned סימני ביצים כך סימני דגים. 18:07 The simanim of eggs are just like the simanim of fish. 18:10 Gemara says what? סימני דגים סלקא דעתך סנפיר וקשקשת אמר רחמנא. 18:14 Simanim of fish are are fins and scales. 18:17 So what does that mean by eggs? 18:18 אלא אימא כך סימני Samech Daled 64a, כך סימני עוברי דגים. 18:25 So rabosei, listen to this. 18:26 Apparently again fish eggs look like or I should say fish eggs look like kosher eggs. 18:32 Ve'tanya, the Gemara says עוברי דגים ותניא גבי ביצים. 18:36 Ultimately okay so rabosei, before we go on, look at top Rashi on Samech Daled Amud Aleph 64a. 18:38 עוברי דגים ביצי הדגים כשהן מחוברין יחד. So apparently again fish eggs, right, when they're inside of the fish, fish eggs have very similar characteristics or I should say kosher eggs, kosher foul eggs, bird eggs have a very similar characteristics ultimately again to fish eggs. 18:56 Okay, what are the unique characteristics of eggs? 19:01 Listen to this. Ve'tanya gabei beitzim, rabosei, this is incredible. 19:04 אלו הן סימני ביצים. This is the siman of a kosher egg, kol shekoderes ve'ulgeles. Rabosei, that it is round and it is like a sphere. 19:13 Now what this means is that it's rounded all around. 19:16 Rounded all around. So if it's a rounded egg, that ultimately again indicates that it is a kosher that it is a kosher that it is a kosher egg. 19:25 Now we're not finished. 19:26 ראשה אחד כד וראשה אחד חד. One side, right, one side is rounded, very circular, and one side comes to a bit more of a point. 19:38 Chad, chad literally means sharp, but it doesn't mean sharp like a point, but it just means that it gets thinner as you get so the bottom is larger and rounder and it gets thinner as you get to the top. 19:49 So the Gemara says, שני ראשיה כדין ושני ראשיה חדין. 19:54 But if you have an egg where both the top and the bottom are rounded, or both the top and the bottom are thin, that indicates that it is an By the way, also, just before I go on, I'll just say 20:04 something very, very, very beautiful. 20:06 So I saw a quote in the name of Rav Zalman Sorotzkin in the, in his she'eilos u'teshuvos Moznayim La'mishpat. 20:13 He says something so beautiful. 20:15 He says this idea, this kosher right, so what's the siman of a kosher egg? 20:19 Siman of a kosher egg is that it's rounded, the bottom is round, right, and the top is pointed. 20:23 So Rav Sorotzkin says like this, he says you know there's what to learn even from an egg. 20:28 He says listen to this, בחור שראשו אחד חד שיש לו מוח חריף ותופס עניין מהר ויורד לעומקו של דבר. 20:38 So he says this is the qualities of a talmid chacham. 20:39 Qualities of a talmid chacham is your head has to be sharp, right, because the top of the egg comes to a point. 20:46 So a talmid chacham has a sharp head as good, right, is good analytical skills, is able to go ahead and process information, is able to analyze, that's fantastic. 20:53 But having a good head is not enough. 20:58 What else do you need? 20:59 He says ובנוסף לזה ראשו אחד כד יש לו מושב טוב. What do you need rabosai? 21:04 It's going to sound, you need a rounded bottom. 21:06 Now, now what does it mean you need a rounded bottom? 21:10 You need to sit on your tuchus. 21:12 Now what does that mean? 21:13 You need to be rooted. 21:16 You need to be rooted. 21:17 If you want, rabosai, now what he's developing over here ultimately is that halacha le'maiseh, if you want to develop in your learning, you have to yes, obviously you need analytical skills, you need a sharp head, but you also need a willingness 21:31 to sit and to pay attention. 21:34 You also need a willingness to sit and to be rooted in place because if you have a great head but you're all over the place, right, you have a great head and you're just distracted all over, you can't sit still, 21:44 then by definition it's very hard to get traction in anything. 21:48 So the siman of a kosher egg, he says, is also the siman ultimately again of a talmid chacham. 21:52 But rabosai, it's not just a talmid chacham. 21:54 I think what also over here is the siman of a kosher egg is also the siman for success in life, this is the recipe for success in life. 21:59 You have to put your mind to something, right, the top has to get narrow, you have to have a sharp mind if you want to accomplish something, put your mind to it. 22:07 But you also have to have the staying power. 22:10 You have to have the rounded bottom which represents you're going to be sitting. 22:13 You have to have the staying power because rabosai what happens in life? 22:16 It says all the time it happens. 22:17 We start new things. 22:18 We start new things. 22:19 Then what happens when you start new things? 22:20 It has that new initiative smell, right, that new initiative excitement. 22:24 And then what happens? 22:24 And then what happens rabosai? 22:26 You get distracted. You get distracted. 22:28 And that's why for so many of us, life is filled with these half-started life initiatives. 22:34 What happened? I don't know, I got distracted, I got an email, I don't know, somebody friended me on Facebook, it's incredible, right, so I just, I just, I got distracted and once you get distracted nothing ever happens. 22:46 That's why by the way the Ramchal says, the Ramchal says, what are the most important middos right after zehirus? 22:51 What's after zehirus? We have to go back to Mesillas Yesharim. 22:54 What's after zehirus? Zrizus. Why is zrizus middah number two? 22:59 Because Ramchal said that the greatest strategy of the yetzer hara is keep, get you distracted because once you get distracted you're almost never going to come back to what you were working on. 23:10 That's why zrizus says if you started something, sit down until you finish. 23:16 Don't get distracted. It's nice to have a sharp head but if you don't have that rounded bottom that anchors you, not just in sitting in the beis medrash, but that anchors you in whatever you're doing until you see it to completion, 23:28 you're going to be one of these people who has a closet full and then ultimately again a storage pod full and then ultimately a second house full and then a tractor trailer full of half-started life initiatives that were never brought 23:42 to the finish line because I don't have a rounded bottom. 23:47 So it's great to have a sharp head, says Rav Sorotzkin, but if you really want to accomplish, you've got to have the stay, you've got to have the rounded bottom. 23:54 You have to be able to stay in place until you finish your objectives. 23:57 Incredible, incredible. Let's go back to eggs. 24:00 So again rabosai, so therefore again, and this is really interesting. 24:03 So siman of a kosher egg, top is a little bit more pointed, bottom is a little bit more rounded but the middle part, the middle part is totally round. 24:11 Okay, next. Therefore if you have an egg that has both sides thin or both sides wide, right, ultimately again not going to work. 24:19 Chelbon mi'bachutz, now rabosai some other details over here. 24:22 Chelbon, chelbon is the white part of the egg. 24:24 If the white part of the egg is on the outside, ve'chelmon, chelmon is the yellow part of the egg, the yolk, mi'bifnim tehorah. 24:31 So again rabosai, that's a sign of a kosher egg. 24:33 So white on the outside, yellow on the inside, kosher egg. 24:36 חלמון מבחוץ וחלבון מבפנים. However again, if the yolk is on the outside and the white is on the inside, temeiah. 24:43 That is a non-kosher egg. 24:45 חלמון וחלבון מעורבין זה בזה. What happens if the yolk and the white are mixed together? 24:51 Again rabosai, meaning naturally inside of the egg itself they're mixed together, בידוע שהיא ביצת השרץ. 24:58 That is clearly indicative that it is the... 25:02 It's a sheretz egg and clearly again not kosher. 25:05 So rabosai, so therefore again, so coming full circle, remember, how did we get into this? 25:09 We got into this because the braisa said that you're allowed to buy eggs from an akum, right? 25:12 And as long as ultimately again the akum says it's from a specific type of kosher bird you're good to go. 25:17 The Gemara says I don't understand, what do I have to rely on the akum? 25:20 Right? What could I do, what could I do? 25:22 Check it. Kosher eggs have a siman. 25:25 Kosher eggs have a siman. 25:26 They are, they are rounded and they are narrow at the top and wider at the bottom. 25:30 So mah nafshach, is the egg a kosher egg or is it not a kosher egg? 25:33 Why do I have to rely at all on what the akum says? 25:37 Lo tzricha d'chatuchei. Oh, okay. The eggs are already opened up, they're cut up. 25:42 So therefore again I can't judge the kashrus of the egg based on the shape. 25:46 ולבדוק בחלמון ובחלבון. So okay, now even if the egg is cracked open, let me check the egg yolk, right? 25:53 Because again remember if the yolk is in the middle and at least, and the yolk is on the outside, that's indicative also that it's a kosher, it's a kosher egg. 26:01 Bitrufos b'ka'arah. They're already mixed up. 26:03 They're already mixed up, in other words he already scrambled it, or he already beat it, right? 26:08 He already, right, he already, right, he already mixed it up. 26:10 The Gemara says wait a second, Gemara says wait a second. 26:12 So we're talking about now buying scrambled eggs from an akum like is that what we're talking about over here? 26:17 Right? So rabosai, so the Gemara says וכי האי גוונא מי זבנינן מינייהו? 26:19 Are you allowed to, are you allowed to buy this from an? 26:22 In other words obviously rabosai he hasn't cooked it, right, so there's no bishul akum issue over here like back to our Avodah Zarah days. 26:27 But mimayla like even so, am I allowed to go ahead and buy eggs that were cracked open and whipped up by the? 26:36 Is that actually mutar? v'tanya we learned, אין מוכרין ביצת טרפה לעובד כוכבים. 26:43 So rabosai it's very interesting. 26:44 We learned in a braisa that you're not allowed to sell non-kosher eggs to an akum. 26:49 Right? Now rabosai now what are we concerned about? 26:51 I'm concerned that if I sell a non-kosher egg to an akum then what? 26:55 He may come to go ahead and sell it to, sell it to a Jew. 27:00 Now if you look at Rashi, Rashi says אין מוכרין ביצת של תרנגול טרפה לעובד כוכבים דילמא הדר ומזבין לה לישראל אלא אם כן. 27:04 Now again rabosai the concern over here is not like treifa from a treifa animal, but rather it means for example let's say I have a chicken that's a treifa. Rabosai give me an example when could a chicken be a treifa? 27:19 How could a chicken be a treifa? L'chazara? 27:20 How does it become a treifa? 27:22 Good, esophageal perforation. That's the easiest one, right? 27:26 Rabosai if anyone ever asks you any treifa kshailos, always say two words: esophageal perforation. 27:31 First of all you sound very intelligent and actually ninety nine percent of the, actually a hundred percent of the time you're correct. 27:37 Because that is always a treifa. 27:39 That is always a treifa. 27:40 So the Gemara says over here, so therefore the Gemara says like this, the Gemara says that you're not allowed to sell an egg from a chicken that's a treifa to an akum. 27:51 Now again remember, if the chicken is a treifa, a Jew can't eat that egg, but I would think selling that to an akum is a great idea. 27:58 I can't, you know why I can't? 27:59 Because I'm concerned that the akum is then going to go and sell that again to a Jew. 28:04 And what's the problem? 28:05 Even if the Jew does his halachic egg inspection, what's the problem? 28:09 It looks- it's going to look like a kosher egg because it came from a kosher animal. 28:13 He has no idea, he has no idea ultimately again that it's from a treifa. 28:17 The only way to sell the egg from a treifa chicken to an akum is how? 28:23 Gemara says אלא אם כן טרופה בקערה. Unless of course you cracked open the egg and you whipped it up. 28:30 Because again rabosai then you can sell it to the akum because no Jew is going to buy an already broken and whipped up egg from an akum. 28:36 So what do you see from here? 28:38 You can't buy, you can't buy broken beaten eggs from an akum. 28:42 So what's going on over here? 28:46 לפיכך אין לוקחין מהן ביצה טרופה בקערה. Therefore again halacha l'ma'aseh you can't go ahead and you can't buy from an akum what we call beitzim trufos b'ka'arah. 28:54 Eggs that are cracked and beaten in, in a, in a bowl. 28:57 You can't buy that. 28:58 אלא אמר רבי זירא. So therefore rabosai again, so we've come full circle over here. 29:02 So exactly what exactly is the case where I'm buying these eggs from an akum? 29:08 אלא אמר רבי זירא simanin lav d'oraysa. Rather rabosai what you have to say is like this that halacha l'ma'aseh these simanim of a kosher egg that they're rounded and that again they're, they're round and that they're rounded on the bottom and come to a tip on 29:20 the top, these simanim are not d'oraysa. 29:23 These are, these are pretty good tell-tale signs that are based on what we'll call just like anecdotal or, or just experiential evidence, but these are not d'oraysa signs of a kosher bird. 29:36 Take a look at Rashi. 29:38 אלא אמר רבי זירא. Almost right across. 29:40 In Rashi: So rabosai interestingly enough so it's fascinating is, now are these signs correct signs? 29:53 The Gemara seems to say yeah, the overwhelming majority of times they're actually true. 29:57 In other words that if the egg is rounded, right right purely rounded at its. 30:01 at its center, more rounded on the bottom and ultimately kind of like tapers off or comes to a point at the top, that is generally the siman of a kosher bird. 30:09 But that is, those are not simanim d'oraisa. 30:11 That's not halacha l'moshe misinai and biblically you cannot rely on those. 30:16 So the gemara says אי לאו תימא הכי and therefore rabboisai again coming full circle, coming full circle, that's why the braisa said if you do want to buy eggs from a non-kosher bird, sorry, if you want to buy eggs from an akum, the 30:30 only way to do that is how, is how, is if the akum says these are eggs from and he inserts the name of the specific kosher bird here. 30:40 That is the only way to buy eggs from an akum because as long as the akum is saying the specific bird, I could fact-check that. 30:48 As long as I can fact-check that, then halacha l'maise again we assume that he's not going to lie. 30:53 Akum is not going to lie because relying on any other simanim is not going to work because the simanim are not d'oraisa. 31:00 Again, are these simanim true? 31:01 Are the simanim true? 31:02 It sounds like the gemara is saying they're true most of the time, but again not all the time and halacha l'maise they weren't given as halacha l'moshe misinai. Ei teima hachi, if you don't say this, hadar avasi, listen to this, shmone sfeikos hein. 31:17 Ultimately again the gemara says there are different, there are eight different cases of sfeikos and rabboisai we saw this gemara before. 31:22 There are eight birds, there are eight birds ultimately again sofek whether or not they're kosher or treif. 31:28 Well, if the simanim of eggs are d'oraisa, I have a very easy way of determining whether or not a bird is kosher or treif: livdok beitzin dido, check their eggs. 31:38 Check their eggs, check their eggs is a great way to figure out whether or not a bird is kosher or treif. 31:45 The fact that the gemara does not give that strategy אלא שמע מינא סימנים לאו דאורייתא. 31:50 So rabboisai what do you see from here? 31:52 That the simanim of these eggs is not d'oraisa. 31:54 So therefore rabboisai again, so the simanim are not d'oraisa and therefore again halacha l'maise once again, if you buy eggs from an akum the only way to do that is if he tells you explicitly what type of kosher bird those eggs 32:09 are from. Therefore, since this is a discoverable, verifiable piece of information, the akum is not going to lie and therefore I could buy the eggs from him. 32:18 But you cannot rely on the simanim because simanim are not d'oraisa. 32:21 The gemara says okay, if that's the case אלא למאי הלכתא קתני לה? 32:25 So rabboisai listen to this, if that's the case that the simanim are not d'oraisa, so why even mention it? 32:29 So like what's the point of this conversation if the simanim can't be relied upon? 32:35 To which the gemara says listen to this: הכי קאמר ביצי שאקדין או ביצי שאחדין because I'll tell you why rabboisai. 32:42 As much as halacha l'maise the simanim to go ahead and decide whether or not the eggs are kosher, those are not d'oraisa. 32:52 However the reverse is not true, meaning what? 32:55 If you have an egg where both sides of the egg are rounded, or right, top and bottom are rounded, or top or bottom are pointed: או חלמון מבחוץ וחלבון מבפנים, or if the yolk is on the outside and the white is on the inside, 33:09 vaday t'meia. Ultimately rabboisai here's what's interesting. 33:13 As much as the simanim that we would say make the egg kosher are not d'oraisa, the simanim which tell you that the egg is treif are d'oraisa. 33:21 In other words, those do work. 33:22 So again if you have an egg where both top and bottom are the same shape, either they're both pointed or both rounded, or an egg that has its yolk on the outside, the white is on the inside, halacha l'maise that is 33:33 clearly indicative that the egg is treif or that it comes from a treif bird. 33:39 The gemara says רישא חד רישא כד. 33:41 However again, if you have an egg where one side of the egg ultimately again is pointier, the other side the bottom side of the egg is rounder וחלבון מבחוץ וחלמון מבפנים and the white is on the outside, the yolk is on the inside, 33:59 ואמר לך של עוף פלוני וטהור, and the akum also says that halacha l'maise again this egg ultimately again is from a kosher bird, ultimately again samoch aleihem, ultimately you could rely on the akum. 34:14 So rabboisai this is very interesting. 34:17 So the gemara says essentially, essentially the way to go ahead, bishma before I go on, so the gemara says over here essentially if you want to buy eggs from an akum, the way to rely on this is like this. 34:27 First of all, the akum needs to tell you ultimately that's what? 34:30 Number one, that the egg is from a kosher bird, and not just any kosher bird, he has to tell you what type of kosher bird. 34:34 That's number one. Number two, then there is ocular, ocular observation of the egg. 34:38 You need to go ahead and look at the egg. 34:40 If the top of the egg is narrower, the bottom of the egg, the bottom of the egg is rounder, good, check two. 34:45 Then when you open up that egg, when you open up that egg, is the yolk in the middle and the white on the outside? 34:51 Now you're good to go. 34:52 Now you're good to go. 34:53 If you go through all... 34:55 just go to Seven Mile, just go to Seven Mile, right? 34:57 I mean rabboisai, right, but l'maise, come on, you're saving like twenty-five cents, right? 35:01 But *lema'aseh* again, if you go through all of these steps, the *Gemara* says that *halachah lema'aseh rabosai*, by the way, we're going to see contemporarily how everything is different just in modern-day egg production, fundamentally different in modern-day egg production, but 35:16 *lema'aseh* again, this is the *halachah*. 35:21 This is the *halachah*. 35:22 בסתמא לא תסמוך עליהם דאיכא דעורבא דדמי לדיונה. *Rabosai*, because *Rabosai*, because there is a problem. 35:25 What's the problem? The problem is that apparently the raven's egg looks very much like the *yona*'s egg, right? 35:33 Sometimes we translate *yona* as dove, sometimes you translate it as pigeon. 35:35 The point is there is an issue with an egg from a non-*kosher* species that does look a lot like a *kosher* egg. 35:46 Now again *Rabosai*, the difference is that in the raven's egg, the yolk part of the egg and the white part of the egg do not align like a *kosher* bird. 35:57 So therefore again, that's why you need all of these different layers ultimately again of inspection. 36:02 So the way the *Gemara* seems to come out over here is that *halachah lema'aseh* if you want to go ahead and buy eggs from an *akum*, step one, he needs to tell you what type of *kosher* bird they came from. 36:11 Step two, examine the egg itself. 36:13 If the top is narrower, the bottom is rounder, good. 36:16 Step three, when you crack it open, make sure yolk in the middle, white all around. 36:20 If all of those criteria are satisfied, the *Gemara* says we are confident and okay with this sale. 36:25 Incredible. So *Rabosai*, so now let's go *weiter*. 36:29 Let's go *weiter*. אמר מר חלבון וחלמון מעורבין זה בזה בידוע שהיא ביצת השרץ. 36:34 If you have an egg where the white and the yolk are mixed up with each other, mixed with each other, that is indicative that this is a *sheretz*'s egg. 36:42 It is a *sheretz* egg. 36:44 And again *Rabosai*, *sheretz* are the creepy crawling, of a reptile egg, anything that's creeping and crawling lays eggs. 36:48 *Gemara* says: *L'mai hilchesa*? 36:50 Okay, now obviously I'm not going to eat it, but what are the ramifications of this? 36:56 That's actually very interesting. 36:57 אמר רב עוקבא בר חמא לומר שרקמה ונקבה בעדשה מטמא. So *Rabosai*, this is very important. 37:04 What it means is that if *halachah lema'aseh* you open up this egg, *rikma* means *notzar hasheretz besochah*. 37:09 You open up this egg and you begin to see the beginning of the formation of the *sheretz* embryo in there. 37:16 That's *rikma*. *Nikva* means that the egg itself was perforated, so that you could reach in and touch the *sheretz* embryo. 37:24 Ultimately again, this egg could convey *tumah* if the embryo is the size of an *adasha*, of a lentil. 37:32 The same way that a *sheretz* has the ability to convey *tumah* if the *sheretz* itself is the size of a lentil, so too again, if this egg is perforated and you see inside that ultimately again the embryo inside is the 37:44 size of a lentil, it can convey *tumah*. 37:47 Incredible. The *Gemara* says it's very interesting: מצקיף לה רבינא ודילמא דנחשא? 37:51 So *Rabosai*, this is very interesting. 37:52 Maybe it's a snake's egg. 37:54 Now again *Rabosai*, fascinatingly enough, not all *shratzim* convey *tumah*. 37:58 Only the *shratzim* specifically enumerated in the *Torah*, and fascinatingly enough, a snake is excluded. 38:04 So a snake does not convey *tumas sheretz*, which is so fascinating. 38:09 The *Gemara* says: *V'dilma d'nachasha*? 38:10 Maybe it's a snake's egg. 38:11 אלא אמר רבא שרקמה ואכלה לוקה עליה משום שרץ השרץ על הארץ. Now, so *Rava* says what it means is like this: that if an embryo began to form inside of that egg and you ate it, you ate that egg anyway, ultimately again you get *malkus* for eating a *sheretz*. 38:29 Incredible. That's what it means. 38:31 So *Rabosai*, you're right. 38:32 *Als tumah* you don't, *als tumah* you can't, right? 38:34 Because *lema'aseh*, *lema'aseh* maybe it is the type of *sheretz* that *halachah lema'aseh* doesn't convey *tumah*. 38:41 So you're right, not going to get *tamei*, you're not going to get *tumah*. 38:42 However, *halachah lema'aseh*, if the *sheretz* began to form inside that egg and you ate it, you will get *malkus* for consuming a *sheretz*. 38:50 Incredible. אי הכי מאי איריא דטמאה? So *Rabosai*, if that's the case, then ultimately again, then what does it matter if it's an egg from a *tamei* animal? 39:01 *Afillu d'tehora nami*. So *Rabosai*, okay, so here we go. 39:05 Here's where this gets fascinating. 39:07 *Rabosai*, the same *halachah* should apply if an embryo begins to develop inside of an egg of a *kosher* animal. 39:13 So *Rabosai*, listen to this. 39:14 Now what does this mean? 39:15 *Rabosai*, now this is fascinating. 39:17 So remember again, pause, pause here for a moment. 39:19 What did the *Gemara* just tell me? 39:20 The *Gemara* just said that if *halachah lema'aseh*, if *halachah lema'aseh* you have an egg and you crack it open and you see that the white and the yolk are mixed together, that's a *beitzas hasheretz*. 39:30 The *Gemara* says okay, and what? 39:33 And what? Obviously I'm not going to eat it, but and what? 39:35 The *Gemara* says oh, it has *tumah* ramifications, right? 39:37 What are the *tumah* ramifications? 39:39 That if again you open it up and there's an embryo the size of a lentil, it could convey *tumah*. 39:43 That can't be because how do you know it's one of the *shratzim* that ultimately again conveys *tumah*? 39:47 You're right. The *Gemara* says what it means is: if you open up that egg and ultimately again you see that there's a beginning of an embryo and the white and the yellow are mixed together and you eat that and you 39:55 eat that anyway—why?—but you eat that, you eat that, right? 40:00 But *lema'aseh* you eat that. 40:11 Even of a kosher animal, right, you open up a chicken egg and you begin to see the formation of an embryo in that egg and you eat it, you are also in violation for eating a sheretz. Raboisai, now watch this. 40:23 This is fascinating. Tanya, here we go, Tanya, Raboisai, Daf 64A, Tanya, The posuk says, the posuk says, ultimately again you can't eat anything that is creepy crawly creature on the earth. 40:38 Gemara says, what does this come to include? 40:40 Amud Beis, לרבות אפרוחים שלא נפתחו עיניהם. This comes to include ultimately again even chicks that have not yet opened their eyes. 40:51 So if you eat chicks, right, if you eat chicks that go ahead and have not yet emerged, before the chick opens its eyes, it's considered to be a sheretz. Raboisai, so if you eat a chick before it opens its eyes, therefore 41:03 halacha le'maiseh, it is as if you have consumed a sheretz. Raboisai, so just understand what just happened over here. 41:09 So therefore the Gemara says, one second, if we're talking about an egg where there's the beginning of the formation of an embryo, you can't eat that egg no matter what, even if it came from a chicken, right, even if you 41:19 saw the chicken lay the egg, le'maiseh you can't eat that egg and if you eat that egg, ultimately again you are in violation of an issur de'oraisa of eating shratzim. Raboisai, this is mind-blowing. 41:30 This is mind-blowing because now my whole life I always still thought that the prohibition of shratzim was davka like insects, rodents, that type of stuff. 41:40 It turns out, it turns out that included in the category of shratzim are also technically kosher species. 41:46 Now again, this is a very specific case of chicks that have not yet opened their eyes. 41:50 But we see it's not just chicks that haven't opened their eyes, what else is it? 41:53 It's also an embryo. 41:55 It's also a chick, it's also a chick that has been fertilized and is growing inside of an egg. 42:00 If you eat that, if you eat that, it's not just the pshat that it's fleishigs, right? 42:04 If you eat that, fleishigs is not your issue. 42:07 If you eat that, that is literally consumption of a sheretz. 42:11 Incredible. To which the Gemara says, to which the Gemara says, what? 42:18 Gemara says, I'm sorry, לרבות אפרוחים שלא נפתחו עיניהם, to which the Gemara says, one second, מדרבנן וקרא אסמכתא בעלמא. 42:24 Gemara says, one second, hold up, it's not de'oraisa. 42:30 That's only true mid'rabbanan and ultimately again it's an asmachta. Raboisai, now go back Rashi, actually this Rashi is on amud aleph. 42:37 So go back, Raboisai, so go back just one Rashi, last Rashi on amud aleph, mid'rabbanan, Raboisai, Gemara says, oh, hold up here just a second. 42:53 When it is the egg of an actual sheretz, right, an actual sheretz egg and there's an embryo forming in there, halacha le'maiseh, and you eat that, that is the issur de'oraisa of sheretz consumption. 43:06 The Rabbis extended their halacha. 43:10 And what did they extend it to? 43:11 They extended the halacha to say that even if you have a chicken egg, a kosher egg, and ultimately again embryo began to form in there, you are not allowed to eat that, alt sheretz. Alt sheretz because it resembles the case of sheretz. 43:26 Now again, Raboisai, what if you did eat it? 43:27 It's not an issur de'oraisa. 43:29 It's not de'oraisa of sheretz, but rather again it's going to be issur de'rabbanan because we're concerned, again, apparently Chazal were concerned that that looks too much like the case of sheretz, it looks too much like a sheretz and therefore you're not 43:42 allowed to eat it. 43:45 Incredible, incredible. V'kara asmachta b'alma. Raboisai, so by the way, so just hold on to this because we just stumbled upon something dramatically amazing, right, this is, we're going to come back to this, but before we get to this, the Gemara goes on a 43:53 little bit of a tangent. 43:54 Tanna Rabbanan, an egg tangent, but a tangent nevertheless. 43:57 Tanna Rabbanan, gi'ulei beitzim muteres. Muteres. This is great. 44:00 Tanna Rabbanan, gi'ulei beitzim means what happens if you hard-boil eggs, kosher eggs with non-kosher eggs? 44:05 Right, so again, I know this is not a case of egg identity ambiguity, right, the egg knows its pronouns, it's not exactly who is it, what it is, right, right, so again, right, you have kosher egg, Elly what are you 44:18 looking for? Your tallis and tfillin? 44:21 Your tallis and tfillin? 44:23 Okay, sorry. All right, yeah, see, if I wouldn't have announced it, okay. 44:28 You're caught in, right, right, Baruch Hashem. 44:33 Is there anything else we could do for you while you're here? 44:35 A gutter Shabbos. Raboisai, so le'maiseh, so the Gemara says like this, so Gemara, Raboisai, so now watch this. 44:42 So now we're talking beforehand, we were talking about eggs where you didn't know the identity, right, see, here, here now halacha le'maiseh I know the identity. 44:49 I've got kosher eggs and non-kosher eggs. 44:51 In this case, for whatever the reason, I'm cooking them together. 44:54 I'm hard-boiling them together in the same pot. 44:57 The Gemara says, kosher eggs are mutter. 44:59 That's what it's called gi'ulei. beitzim mutaros. 45:02 So if you look at Rashi, Now why is it? 45:07 If you look at Rashi mutar, end of the first line, הטהורין דמיא באלמא הוא ולא יהבי טעמא בחבריהם. 45:14 Because again what do I have to be concerned about is flavor transfusion. 45:17 So apparently again the Gemara says whatever flavor transfusion is coming out of a non-kosher egg is negligible. 45:22 Is negligible. First of all again because I'm cooking them together remember again it's a little bit indirect because it's going from the non-kosher egg to the water, from the water to the kosher egg. 45:31 And I guess in general the Gemara feels that whatever flavor an egg is emitting is generally negligible. 45:37 And therefore again the Gemara is not suggesting you do this lechatchila, but if you did it the kosher eggs are absolutely mutar. beitzim muzaros. 45:44 Okay, here it is. 45:46 Here it is. This is very exciting because this is going to be a dramatic sugya. beitzim muzaros Rashi says over here means what? 45:53 שאינן של זכר ואין אפרוח קלוט בהם לעולם. Unfertilized eggs. So again obviously if an egg is not fertilized, so an embryo is never going to grow in it. 46:07 Right? So you have an unfertilized egg. 46:10 So what's the halakha? nefesh yafeh tokhlam. 46:15 So this is very interesting. 46:16 Now what's the issue over here? 46:17 So the issue over here we have is you have you have an unfertilized egg that the hen has been sitting on for a prolonged amount of time. 46:26 So generally when the hen sits on the egg too long and it's not fertilized, the egg goes bad. 46:32 It tends to spoil a little bit. 46:34 So it's not an ideal egg to consume. 46:36 So the Gemara says but from a kashrus perspective there's no problem with it. 46:40 nefesh yafeh tokhlam means if you're not squeamish. 46:43 If you're not squeamish, enjoy. 46:45 Rashi says nefesh yafeh tokhlam, שאינו אסטניס ואין דעתו קצה מהם. 46:48 If you're not an istenis, you're not a fastidious person, ואין דעתו קצה מהם, and again you're not easily repulsed, tokhlam, you could eat it אף על פי שישבה עליה תרנגולת ימים רבים. 46:59 So remember again, the Gemara is saying over here because it now—remember again, why are we bringing this up? 47:04 Because if an egg is unfertilized then obviously what, what is not going to occur? 47:09 What is not—there's no embryo. 47:11 Right? There's no embryo ultimately again going to be in that egg. 47:14 So therefore halakha l'ma'aseh, halakha l'ma'aseh, the Gemara says, so again if you're a little squeamish and the hen's been sitting on it for a while you might not want to eat it, but assuming you're not so squeamish, enjoy, enjoy. 47:26 Now get ready for it. 47:27 נמצא עליה קורט דם. Ooh! What happens if you find a blood spot in the egg? 47:34 What's the halakha? זורק את הדם ואוכל את השאר. 47:38 You simply go ahead and remove the blood spot and you can eat the rest of the egg. 47:43 Now again, what are we talking about over here? 47:45 This is now this is going to be very interesting because remember we're talking about an—b'pashitut the Gemara is talking about an unfertilized egg. 47:53 So you find the blood spot in an unfertilized egg. 47:56 If there's one thing I know that it's not, what isn't it? 47:59 What isn't it? It's not an embryo. 48:02 It could be a protein, it could be a broken blood vessel from the—it could be a variety of different things. 48:06 We'll get into this im yirtzeh Hashem, but it is not an embryo. 48:10 So because it's not—now again let's take a step back. 48:13 Right? You have a fertilized egg and you find a blood spot. 48:16 What's the halakha? What's the halakha? 48:17 Just based on what we've learned, you've got to throw it out. 48:19 Why? What do we call that? 48:21 That's sheretz. That's sheretz. 48:23 Now granted, it may only be sheretz mid'rabbanan. 48:26 Right? But right? Maybe sheretz d'rabbanan, but either way you can't eat it. 48:30 But in an unfertilized egg, if you find that blood spot, the Gemara says simply remove the blood spot and you can eat the rest of the egg. 48:37 Now whether or not that's halakha l'ma'aseh we'll have to see. 48:39 v'okhel et hashaar. Amar Rabbi Yirmiyah. Now Rabbi Yirmiyah qualifies this. 48:42 He says it depends where you find the blood spot. 48:46 והוא שנמצא על קשר שלה. This ultimately again, ultimately is—it depends on where you find the blood spot. 48:54 If you find the blood spot on the kesher shela. 48:56 I actually meant to send a picture. 48:57 There's a good picture in the Artscroll of this, right? 49:00 On the kesher, Rashi thank you. 49:01 You'll see again pretty much at the two ends of the egg there's almost like—there's almost like a what looks like the white material of the egg, white material of the egg, which is the beginning of the fertilization process. 49:12 So remember again, this is talking—based on this the Gemara seems to indicate that this is talking about a fertilized egg. 49:18 So this represents the beginning of the fertilization process. 49:21 If you find the blood spot ultimately again on the kesher. Tana d'Stai, avuh d'Rav Aptoriki, לא שנו אלא שנמצא על חלבון שלה. 49:32 This is only ultimately again if you find the blood spot on the white part of the egg. 49:38 אבל נמצא על חלמון שלה, but if you find the white spot on the yolk, afillu beitza asura. 49:46 So the Gemara says when do we say that if you find a blood spot on the egg that you could just remove the blood spot and eat the egg? 49:53 That's when the blood spot is found on the white. 49:55 But if the blood spot is found on the yolk, you absolutely cannot eat the egg. 50:00 Why not? מאי טעמא? דשדא תיכלא בכולה. Now again, Rabosai, if you look at Rashi, Rashi says over here tichla is lashon shikul vere'usa. 50:10 Because literally again, like the shikul, the mixture and like the negativity, like the decay, the decay has spread throughout the egg. 50:20 In other words, the yolk is considered to be the primary part of the egg. 50:24 So if you find a blood spot on the white, okay, just remove it and that's it. 50:28 You find a blood spot on the yolk, the whole egg is done. 50:31 You gotta throw out the entire egg. 50:32 Amra lei. Now again Rabosai, so I just want to point out over here what's interesting about this is the Gemara is going back and forth between fertilized eggs and unfertilized eggs. 50:42 So we'll have to see exactly where the halacha l'ma'aseh falls out on this. 50:46 אמר ליה רב גביה מבי כסיל לרב אשי. So Rav Gevia from Bei Kasil said to Rav Ashi: The tana right, the tana from the Abaye said just the opposite. 50:57 ואביי הוא דתרצנה הכי. And Abaye is the one who established the Gemara as we just said it before. 51:01 Incredible. Okay. So Rabosai, so therefore what the Gemara seems to be indicating over here is that halacha l'ma'aseh, if you go ahead and you find a drop of blood in the egg, if the drop of blood is in the white, you 51:12 can simply discard the blood, simply discard the blood spot and eat the rest of the egg. 51:16 But if halacha l'ma'aseh the blood spot is in the yolk, the entire egg is no longer consumable. 51:20 What's the issue now Rabosai? 51:22 Now it's important, what's the issue of blood spots in eggs? 51:25 What's the issue? The issue interestingly enough is an issue of shratzim. 51:29 Because remember as we saw before, halacha l'ma'aseh if you were to consume the embryo inside even of a vadai kosher egg, you are still in violation of consumption of a sheretz. 51:40 Now again, granted it may quote unquote only be d'rabbanan, but it's still in violation of that. 51:45 So it's fascinating, right? 51:46 So now we've understood today that the prohibition of shratzim actually could extend to kosher animals as well. 51:51 Again, a very specific case of a chick that has not yet opened its eyes, but certainly would apply in its embryonic form as well. 51:58 Therefore, when you have a blood spot, there's a chashash of an embryo, chashash of an embryo, ultimately again, possible issur d'oraisa, possible issur d'rabbanan, and therefore blood spot found in the yellow, gotta discard the egg in totality, found on the white, remove 52:12 the blood spot, eat the egg. 52:13 Amar Chizkiya. Amar Chizkiya said: מנלן לביצה טמאה שאסורה מן התורה. So Rabosai, so Chizkiya said in general. 52:21 And again Rabosai, so let me just all right, let me just spend a minute. 52:28 Actually you know what, I think what we're going to do is if it's okay with the chevra, we're going to save the halacha l'ma'aseh for the egg sugya tomorrow. 52:34 Because there's a great, there's a great teshuva by Rav Moshe Im Yirtzeh Hashem, great teshuva by Rav Moshe, fascinating halacha in the Shulchan Aruch, I know to the chevra on the other side of town, I'm sorry. 52:43 All right, maybe you'll walk over? 52:45 Yeah. I think it's supposed to be, I think it's supposed to be nice tomorrow. 52:49 I think it's supposed to be nice Im Yirtzeh Hashem. 52:51 It's going to dip below 98. 52:53 I think all right, so I said because the halacha l'ma'aseh sugya is a bit more. 53:01 Someone has like a meditation session? 53:03 What is that? So okay, so we'll come back. 53:06 Let me just get through a few more lines in the Gemara Im Yirtzeh Hashem. 53:10 But again Rabosai, so coming attractions for tomorrow. 53:11 Tomorrow we're going to do the halacha l'ma'aseh on the egg sugya, and we're also going to do the halacha l'ma'aseh ultimately again on the bird sugya. 53:16 So those are the two pieces. 53:18 Let me just get a few more lines in the Gemara. Amar Chizkiya. Chizkiya said: מנלן לביצה טמאה שאסורה מן התורה. 53:24 How do you know ultimately again that in the case of beita t'meia that it is assur m'd'oraisa? 53:29 In other words Rabosai, how do you know in general that halacha l'ma'aseh that the egg of a non-kosher bird is assur? 53:37 How do you now again Rabosai, what's the hava amina? 53:40 Because Rabosai, remember again an egg is obviously reckoned separately than the rest of the animal. 53:47 How do I know that? 53:48 Because if the egg wasn't separate than the rest of the animal then an egg would be fleishig, right? 53:53 The fact that an egg is not considered to be meat, right? 53:56 An egg is not meat, indicates to me that halacha I'll just point out to you there are two fascinating anomalies in halacha in general: eggs, eggs and milk. 54:05 Eggs and milk are fascinating anomalistic, anomalistic things. 54:12 Why? Because Rabosai fascinatingly enough neither of them are considered to be eiver min hachai, which they both seem to be eiver min hachai. 54:19 That's number one, right? 54:21 And amazingly enough neither of them are fleishigs, right? 54:25 Milk obviously is the paradigmatic opposite, it's milchigs, and an egg is parve. 54:30 So therefore again Rabosai, but the point is what we're saying for that not for today, the point over here is what you see is that the egg is not automatically given the identity of the bird that it comes from. 54:40 If that's the case, then how do you know that an egg that comes from a non-kosher animal is not kosher? 54:46 מנלן לביצה טמאה שאסורה מן התורה שנאמר ואת בת היענה. Because the pasuk says literally again v'es bas haya'ana which means literally the daughter of the ya'ana. 54:56 Now the ya'ana translates as ostrich. 54:59 Amazingly enough the daughter of the ostrich. 55:02 Does the ostrich have a daughter? 55:03 Of course not. Again, rabosai, what does this mean? 55:05 An ostrich lays eggs. 55:07 In general, whenever Rashi points out, when you see the lashon of daughter, daughter we would normally refer to someone who has who births living young. 55:15 When someone lays eggs, when something lays eggs, ultimately again you wouldn't refer to its offspring as a daughter. 55:23 As a daughter. Therefore again the Gemara says over here, Bas HaYa’anah can't be referred to the actual offspring of the ostrich rather it must refer to the eggs of the ostrich. 55:33 ואלא איזו זו איזו זו ביצה טמאה. Ultimately what's rabosai it's fascinating. 55:38 So the Ya’anah is the ostrich. 55:39 Bas HaYa’anah is the are or these the is the egg of the ostrich and therefore the pasuk is telling me that the egg has the same identity as the mother. 55:49 And therefore if the mother is a treif bird the egg is treif as well. 55:52 v'dilma hanoo shmayu, maybe the name of the ostrich is Bas Ya’anah. 55:56 Maybe that's just the name of the bird. 55:57 It's not Ya’anah, Bas Ya’anah is the name of the bird. 55:59 לא סלקא דעתך דכתיב בת עמי לאכזר כיענים במדבר. And the Gemara says so again the Gemara quotes over here the Gemara quotes bas ammi so you see over here it uses bas. 56:11 ולא והא כתיב אעשה מספד כתנים ואבל כבנות יענה. Ultimately again rabosai so it uses lashon of v'vnos ya'anah. 56:18 וכיענה זו שמתאבלת על בניה. Ultimately again like the Gemara's quoting over here like just arrived from these psukim like this ostrich that mourns over its children. 56:32 והא כתיב ושכנו שם בנות יענה כיענה זו ששוכנת עם בניה והא כתיב תכבדני חית שדה תניא בנים ותנים ובנות יענה. So again all the Gemara is just pointing out over here is that halacha l'maisa is halacha l'maisa that maybe the name of the bird is Bas Ya’anah. 56:53 Maybe it's we were saying Ya’anah is the ostrich bas is its eggs. 56:58 Maybe the name of the bird is Bas Ya’anah. 57:00 So v'iy savras if you think that bas refers to an egg, ואי סלקא דעתך ביצה ביצה בת מימר שירי היא. 57:06 Again the lashon of the pasuk is that the the ostrich is singing or the ostrich is wailing. 57:11 But if you understand that bas refers to the eggs, are eggs capable of singing capable of talking? 57:18 אלא כתיב יענה וכתיב בת היענה. Ultimately again rabosai you're right. 57:21 The ostrich rabosai sometimes is referred to as Ya’anah and sometimes it's referred to as Bas HaYa’anah. 57:26 So rabosai so again so over here so how do I know? 57:30 So maybe in this context Bas Ya’anah is the name but maybe it ultimately means that bas is the egg and Ya’anah is the ostrich. 57:38 v'shani hacha here it's different. 57:40 דפסקה ליה ספרא לשתי תיבות. rabosai it's different over here. 57:44 Why is it different over here? 57:45 Because the way it's written in the Torah is in two words. 57:48 Isn't this fascinating? It's dafka written in two words: Bas and Ya’anah. 57:52 So the fact that it's written in two words indicates to me this is not the name. 57:56 These are two words. 57:57 These are two words. 57:59 The Gemara says okay and therefore rabosai and therefore Ya’anah is the ostrich and bas is the bird. 58:04 ומדפסקי ליה ספרא בתרתי תיבות שמע מינה תרי שמהתא נינהו. And ultimately again the fact that the sofer, in fact that the Torah breaks it up into two names indicates to me that what? 58:19 Two different things. So rabosai this is pretty incredible. 58:21 So therefore fascinatingly enough the way we know that the bird, oh that excuse me that the egg of a treif bird has the identity of its treif mother is from Bas Ya’anah, that although sometimes the bird itself is called Bas Ya’anah, the 58:35 fact that it's written over here as two words indicates us Torah wants us to interpret it as two different things. 58:40 There's the Ya’anah which is the ostrich and there's the bas which is the which is the egg. 58:44 And from here you see that halacha l'maisa the egg has the same status of the mother. 58:47 ela Gemara says one second. 58:49 So you're telling me now that wherever the Torah breaks up two words it's two different things? 58:54 rabosai what about Kedorla'omer? rabosai this is a story this is the story in Sefer Bereishis about the four kings against the five. 59:06 What about the name Kedorla'omer that is broken up into two words? 59:09 Now rabosai this is fascinating because at least in our mesorah of the way a Sefer Torah is written Kedorla'omer is one word. 59:16 It's one word. So rabosai this is fascinating because it is absolutely unequivocally clear that over time there were different mesoros even about how certain words were written in the Torah. 59:28 So from the fact that the Gemara asks this question it indicates that when they opened up a Sefer Torah in the Beis Medrash and they looked at Kedorla'omer they saw Kedor and La'omer with a space in between. 59:40 So yet yet everyone knows that what was the guy's name? 59:44 The guy's name was Kedorla'omer. 59:46 That that was his name. 59:48 So what do you do with that? 59:49 דקא פסקו ספרא בתרי הכא נמי דתרתי שמהתא נינהו. So does that mean that ultimately again it's two names? 59:54 There's one guy Kedor and there's another guy La'omer? 59:56 The Gemara says אמרי התם בשתי תיבות. 59:58 The Gemara says: אמרי התם בשתי תיבות פסק להו בשתי שיטין לא פסק להו. 1:00:04 Here's the mesorah was that even though you broke up Kedarlaomer into two words, you always wrote the two words on the same line. 1:00:11 Now again why their mesorah was to break up Kedarlao- excuse me, Kedarlaomer into two words, I don't know, but they were always makpid still to always write it on the same line. 1:00:22 That way again it was known that even though it's broken up into two words, it's one name. 1:00:25 אבל הכא בשתי שיטין נמי פסק להו. But rabosai, when it comes to bas ya'anah, the mesorah was that you're even allowed to write those two names or those two words on two different lines. 1:00:38 Now why are you allowed to write it on two different lines? 1:00:40 What does that indicate? 1:00:41 So writing it on two different lines ultimately indicates that halacha l'maisa, it's two different things. 1:00:46 And therefore rabosai, amazingly enough, the Gemara says this is the makor. 1:00:49 So even though sometimes the ostrich is known as bas ya'anah, but because it is written in the Torah as bas and ya'anah, two different words, and you could even write on two different lines, indicates that they're two different things. 1:00:59 Ya'anah says that the ostrich is assur, so bas tells you that the egg of the ostrich is assur, and that teaches me a rule. 1:01:06 The rule is that the egg that comes from a non-kosher bird ultimately again has the same status and is non-kosher as well, rabosai. 1:01:12 Tomorrow, halacha l'maisa on eggs, halacha l'maisa on birds, incredible. 1:01:16 א גוטן ערב שבת everyone, א גוטן ערב שבת. Everyone's going to have a great day.
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